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Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« on: April 25, 2012, 12:39:59 AM »
Can you imagine after all these years of forum interaction, we still don't know what's iiinvestsmart's occupation?
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 08:18:03 AM »




 :)
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 11:03:47 AM »
Form 5 Accounting Teacher???

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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2012, 11:05:30 AM »
Maybe.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 11:06:29 AM »
Form 5 Accounting Teacher???

Wrong. Still learning accounting. ;)
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 11:14:40 AM »
Uni student ???
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 11:17:20 AM »
student? don think so, he must have 40 years experience behind him..

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 11:18:11 AM »
Uni student ???

Definitely still studying ... but in the world of hard knocks.   :)
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 11:18:48 AM »
Since his English is so good, and he always imply he was from a very poor background, then there is a probab!lity that he is working in the education department/industry.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 11:20:50 AM »
Since his English is so good, and he always imply he was from a very poor background, then there is a probab!lity that he is working in the education department/industry.

Don't lump me with the CFA students.   :P
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 11:21:39 AM »
Wrong. Still learning accounting. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 11:22:27 AM »
retired chartered accountant

... am I that impressive to you in my accounting? :cash:
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 11:22:40 AM »
History lecturer.

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 11:23:23 AM »
retired chartered accountant

No.  They prepare my accounts and returns.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 11:24:12 AM »
History lecturer.

Yes, a arduous student of history.  Just love to see the evolution of the past to the present.   :)
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 11:30:57 AM »
... am I that impressive to you in my accounting? :cash:
yes....very impressed...cos 95% here are accountant buruk
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 11:33:39 AM »
yes....very impressed...cos 95% here are accountant buruk

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I suspect 90% or more do not look at the figures in the financial statements.
That can only give those who look at these an advantage.
Don't you agree?
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 11:38:39 AM »
:thumbsup:
I suspect 90% or more do not look at the figures in the financial statements.
That can only give those who look at these an advantage.
Don't you agree?
100%...i look at books first then stock ten chart. Am not expert on charts but since most mkt players look at it so i had to....but mine is simple charting & it works fine for me
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 11:44:38 AM »
Don't lump me with the CFA students.   :P

If you want to convince everyone to adopt Warren ******'s approach, then you need to disclose more about your own success first, before everyone can be convinced.
Disclosure like what background you were from - poor? middle-class? rich?
What occupation you are doing - janitor? teacher? engineer? architect? lawyer? businessman? tycoon?
At what age you started to invest like ****** - 18? 24? 32? 40? 50?
What age you are now.
Then we will be able to assess how rich you are and whether it is justified to fully adopt ******'s investing approach.
For example, if you are from a middle-class family, then study overseas, then work as architect with around 5 digit salary, invest at very young age (say 24), you are now 40++, and you are barely a millionaire, then it is definitely not convincing.
But for example, if you are from a very poor background, barely survive formal education (luckily supported by 3rd party sponsor), work as some office clerk or junior assistant, salary always less than RM1,800, started investing early (say 24 also), now you are 40++, and you already retired comfortably with net wealth over RM1 million, then that would be highly convincing.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 12:12:52 PM »
If you want to convince everyone to adopt Warren ******'s approach, then you need to disclose more about your own success first, before everyone can be convinced.
Disclosure like what background you were from - poor? middle-class? rich?
What occupation you are doing - janitor? teacher? engineer? architect? lawyer? businessman? tycoon?
At what age you started to invest like ****** - 18? 24? 32? 40? 50?
What age you are now.
Then we will be able to assess how rich you are and whether it is justified to fully adopt ******'s investing approach.
For example, if you are from a middle-class family, then study overseas, then work as architect with around 5 digit salary, invest at very young age (say 24), you are now 40++, and you are barely a millionaire, then it is definitely not convincing.
But for example, if you are from a very poor background, barely survive formal education (luckily supported by 3rd party sponsor), work as some office clerk or junior assistant, salary always less than RM1,800, started investing early (say 24 also), now you are 40++, and you already retired comfortably with net wealth over RM1 million, then that would be highly convincing.




I just love investing.   :)
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 12:14:11 PM »
Hmm, Unit trust consultant
"getting lucky has a much higher pro bability of working"

"Finding superior information is very difficult"

"The human brain is incapable of creating new information"

"Itís much harder to determine if a particular manager was lucky or skillful at doing it"

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 12:19:10 PM »
Hmm, Unit trust consultant

I encourage you to learn investing. 
Unit trust as it is today is not favouring the investors.
A poor performing or negative performing trust fund actually compounds the costs for the participants. 

Better learn and invest on your own.
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 12:21:20 PM »



I just love investing.   :)

When you have nothing to brag except yourself, it means ******'s approach is really ******!!!
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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 12:24:04 PM »
I encourage you to learn investing. 
Unit trust as it is today is not favouring the investors.
A poor performing or negative performing trust fund actually compounds the costs for the participants. 

Better learn and invest on your own.


Unit trust ... managed by fun managers for their enjoyment of their fun of playing in the market ?

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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 12:26:23 PM »
I encourage you to learn investing. 
Unit trust as it is today is not favouring the investors.
A poor performing or negative performing trust fund actually compounds the costs for the participants. 

Better learn and invest on your own.


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"getting lucky has a much higher pro bability of working"

"Finding superior information is very difficult"

"The human brain is incapable of creating new information"

"Itís much harder to determine if a particular manager was lucky or skillful at doing it"

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 12:28:24 PM »
Unit trust ... managed by fun managers for their enjoyment of their fun of playing in the market ?

Correct me if im wrg, FM are supposed to diversify its fund onto various sectors ?
"getting lucky has a much higher pro bability of working"

"Finding superior information is very difficult"

"The human brain is incapable of creating new information"

"Itís much harder to determine if a particular manager was lucky or skillful at doing it"

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 12:31:24 PM »
Fund managers are restricted by the rule that they must always be fully invested, regardless of ups or downs, as far as I know.
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 12:32:29 PM »
Correct me if im wrg, FM are supposed to diversify its fund onto various sectors ?
most fund managers here have 1 agenda...how to enrich themselves
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2012, 12:37:30 PM »
most fund managers here have 1 agenda...how to enrich themselves

to enrich themselves = to get big, fat pay and also get lots of fun playing in the market ?

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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2012, 12:37:40 PM »
most fund managers here have 1 agenda...how to enrich themselves

totally agreed with you

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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2012, 12:39:21 PM »
to enrich themselves = to get big, fat pay and also get lots of fun playing in the market ?

ok the fun part is laughing at those who put money with them....yes the fund may make money but their personal cut is the biggest
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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2012, 12:43:53 PM »
Fund managers are restricted by the rule that they must always be fully invested, regardless of ups or downs, as far as I know.
A certain % is held in cash, in case unit holders wants to redeem their units.

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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2012, 12:52:01 PM »
When you have nothing to brag except yourself, it means ******'s approach is really ******!!!

If only you realise what you are missing.

Only IF you realise this ...
 
You have to be at the depth of the valley to appreciate how beautiful the view can be at the top of the mountain.   :cash: :cash: :cash: :cash: :cash:
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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2012, 12:53:28 PM »
But enough about fun manager for a short moment.
Let's focus back to our main character in this thread - iiinvestsmart.

He is a very secretive person.
He always promote Warren's investing approach.
He claim the approach to work very well on him.
He claim that he is rich and retired.
He also imply he was from poor family (like sh!tting by squatting in wooden house, although no clear indication of whether that was a one-off event).
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »
most fund managers here have 1 agenda...how to enrich themselves

How do funds make money?

1.  Through fees they received for 'managing' the funds.  This has little to do with performance.  They receive the fees irrespective.   Therefore, you will find the fund maybe more interested in growing the amount they manage than performance.

2.  Through performance fees.  

3.  Through other fees.  

As long as this is the structure, you are better investing on your own.  Of course, those who are unable should invest only in low cost funds and also to select the fund managers carefully.
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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2012, 12:58:23 PM »
Eg 1:

If you've PSF from PB.M

is shows long-term capital appreciation while producing reasonable level of income.

Eg 2:

If you've PIX from PB.M

is shows long-term capital appreciation while attempting to outperform the FTSE Bursa M Top 100 index.
  - Top 5 holdings as at 30 Sep 2011 for PIX
    - PB berhad
    - Malayan Banking berhad
    - CIMB Group Holdings berhad
    - Axiata Group Berhad
    - Genting Berhad







"getting lucky has a much higher pro bability of working"

"Finding superior information is very difficult"

"The human brain is incapable of creating new information"

"Itís much harder to determine if a particular manager was lucky or skillful at doing it"

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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2012, 01:01:01 PM »
But enough about fun manager for a short moment.
Let's focus back to our main character in this thread - iiinvestsmart.

He is a very secretive person.
He always promote Warren's investing approach.
He claim the approach to work very well on him.
He claim that he is rich and retired.
He also imply he was from poor family (like sh!tting by squatting in wooden house, although no clear indication of whether that was a one-off event).

By implying his strategies i can buy my long awaited Gucci beg... hehehehehehe  :D :D :D
"getting lucky has a much higher pro bability of working"

"Finding superior information is very difficult"

"The human brain is incapable of creating new information"

"Itís much harder to determine if a particular manager was lucky or skillful at doing it"

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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2012, 01:01:55 PM »
Main character: iiinvestsmart.

But to digress a bit.
Don't want unit trust, can invest in ETFs, but only in the US.
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2012, 01:03:10 PM »
But enough about fun manager for a short moment.
Let's focus back to our main character in this thread - iiinvestsmart.

He is a very secretive person.
He always promote share Warren's investing approach.
He claim attests the approach to work very well on him.
He claim that he is rich and retired never stopped working to enrich himself.
He also imply he was from poor family (like sh!tting by squatting in wooden house, although no clear indication of whether that was a one-off event).

At a very young age, that was the toilet.  The lucky ones may have not experienced this.   :)
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2012, 01:04:29 PM »
Main character: iiinvestsmart.

But to digress a bit.
Don't want unit trust, can invest in ETFs, but only in the US.


ETFs have their peculiar downsides too.   ;)
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2012, 01:05:37 PM »


But to digress a bit.
Don't want unit trust, can invest in ETFs, but only in the US.

Of course, almost never touch options.  If you select your stocks carefully, options only attenuate the returns you can get.   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2012, 01:05:52 PM »
At a very young age, that was the toilet.  The lucky ones may have not experienced this.   :)

A daily event, or one-off event?
When you visited a poor neighbour and suddenly felt the urge, and so you borrow your poor neighbour's "wooden house" for awhile?
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2012, 01:07:35 PM »
A daily event, or one-off event?
When you visited a poor neighbour and suddenly felt the urge, and so you borrow your poor neighbour's "wooden house" for awhile?

I believe the toilet was behind my house, though separated. 
Let's move on ... just wondering why you are so fascinated by this.

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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2012, 01:07:49 PM »
ETFs will hit Malaysian shelf soon as approved in Budget 2012.

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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2012, 01:08:45 PM »
I believe the toilet was behind my house, though separated. 
Let's move on ... just wondering why you are so fascinated by this.



I want to stay focus!
I want to ignore your ex-toilet!
I want to focus on your investment skills!   :D

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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2012, 01:09:37 PM »
ETFs have their peculiar downsides too.   ;)

That's true.
And that's why a more informed investor than you, who also adopt ******'s investing approach, would love ETFs.
Ha hah... don't ever forget they also have their upsides too and they provide excellent diversification benefits, among other benefits.

Of course, almost never touch options.  If you select your stocks carefully, options only attenuate the returns you can get.   :thumbsup:

I am sadden by the fact that you still learn nothing from my open school.    :'(
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2012, 01:11:11 PM »
I believe the toilet was behind my house, though separated. 
Let's move on ... just wondering why you are so fascinated by this.

My main fascination is this...

If you want to convince everyone to adopt Warren ******'s approach, then you need to disclose more about your own success first, before everyone can be convinced.
Disclosure like what background you were from - poor? middle-class? rich?
What occupation you are doing - janitor? teacher? engineer? architect? lawyer? businessman? tycoon?
At what age you started to invest like ****** - 18? 24? 32? 40? 50?
What age you are now.
Then we will be able to assess how rich you are and whether it is justified to fully adopt ******'s investing approach.
For example, if you are from a middle-class family, then study overseas, then work as architect with around 5 digit salary, invest at very young age (say 24), you are now 40++, and you are barely a millionaire, then it is definitely not convincing.
But for example, if you are from a very poor background, barely survive formal education (luckily supported by 3rd party sponsor), work as some office clerk or junior assistant, salary always less than RM1,800, started investing early (say 24 also), now you are 40++, and you already retired comfortably with net wealth over RM1 million, then that would be highly convincing.

You're unable to answer this.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2012, 01:12:09 PM »
How do funds make money?

[/quote]just to take a portion of yr question & statement
How to fund managers make money (for themselves)
eg1
Private placement (shares purchased by fund)--sale by major shh....buy say RM1.00 backhander 20sen
cannot proof so easy money
eg2
Public listing----portion taken by Funds
...........backhander paid to the fund manager, arranger etc

plenty more egs.....& these are actually happening/ happened every since i was in the mkt...which is a long time
Stockholding 1 . Short term
Mission....5-10k contra profit per month

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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2012, 01:16:02 PM »
My main fascination is this...

You're unable to answer this.

I am here not to convince anybody.
I am happy to share. 
I received a lot of brick-bats too from many here:  the best or the worst is blur blur.   :D
Anyway, I felt redeemed.
I think my investing is first and foremost, safe.
Secondly, it has been very rewarding.

But then, I knew of this for many year already.  :)
Itís better to buy a wonderful company at fair price than a fair company at wonderful price.

1.  Understand the business
2.  Business must have DCA
3.  Management with integrity
4.  Buy at a sensible price

Big Fat Pitch.  Focus Investing.  Long term portfolio for capital appreciation and income.

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Re: Can you imagine (iiinvestsmart)...?
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »
I am here not to convince anybody.
I am happy to share. 
I received a lot of brick-bats too from many here:  the best or the worst is blur blur.   :D
Anyway, I felt redeemed.
I think my investing is first and foremost, safe.
Secondly, it has been very rewarding.

But then, I knew of this for many year already.  :)

I think you are more happy to impose personal standards on everyone.
Buy, sell, up, down, gain, gain.