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target price  - pmind  20 sen   , pmind-wa  10 - 13 sen   , easily > 100 %  ( more than double ). high time  to collect now before it's  too late .

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 11:24:15 PM »
How did you count the target price?
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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2007, 12:15:49 AM »
Probably just another desperado speculation attempt.

Definately don't buy "tips" on this forum if they are not justified. :police:

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2007, 12:41:33 AM »
I couldn't agree more. 

Dr Kim,
         How much is the premium of the warrant compared to the mother share?  what about the gearing?  Without these data, it's simply too risky to just go in.  If it's by pure luck, then, it would be pure gambling...
When the time comes, all investment knowledges should be passed to the younger generations for further enhancement.

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2007, 06:16:56 AM »
it's a  dirt cheap warrant ( in the absolute value term ) , long expiry  2010 , if u buy 100 K , merely peanut  RM 4,500  (rough ) , when up merely  1 sen then become  RM 5,500  , = handsome angpows of  RM  1,000 .  compare with other stocks , can another 'blue-cheap'  easily go  up  by RM 1.00 to RM 5.50  ?.....no way daaaa.....even blue cheap is kaput  ! 

when there is  a market melt-down , your  rm 4.50 stocks surely can't stand  the 'tsunamee' , easily  collapsed  to rm < 4.00.....see  , my friends.

this cheap warrant is very steady  , 'tsunamee' resistant .

and  so   many times ...over &  over ,,cheap  wa oledi gave huge angpows b 4.

remember  ammb-wa  from 1  sen to  15 sen ....1500 %  within couple days .

even pmind-wa  skyrocketed from 1 sen to  > 10 sen too b4  within a short period of time ....ayooooo  $$$$$$$ .

now just a matter of time ....that y i said  time to collect - act now  b4 it's PMIND / PMIND-WA FLY $$$$

in term of % gain .....pmind-wa is much better than mother pmind.

surely history will repeat itself for many cheap warrant.....do some home work ....( for a record )  hwgb  from 3 sen to rm 12.50  ( 2001 ?)  time -wa  ( half sen to 12 sen )....many more daaaa...!


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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2007, 06:30:00 AM »
...but now  it's  tough to get  pmind-wa at 4.5  sen ......5  sen is possible   , go up to  6 sen no prob in  short run ....12 - 15 sen with in 3  months  no big deal !

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2007, 07:03:15 AM »
PMI is a PN17 Company though it received SC approval for its proposed share consolidation and proposed disposal on 14 May 07 as part of its regularisation plan. I think there are proposed Par Value Reduction and proposed Share Premium Reduction still pending SC approval.

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 09:57:32 AM »
Why warrant (PMI) ?
The exercise price Rm 0.52
Warrant price       Rm 0.04
theorotical PMI     Rm 0.56

Mother price        Rm o.08


U are paying a whopping premium of 600% assuming warrant expiry 2010, u are paying 46% interest p.a.

This gambling !!

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 10:18:12 AM »
He s paying RM0.04 for the time premium (mainly) as the expiry is 2010.
Not a bad deal - not a great deal either but there are players who can hold long time play this method.
Can be very profitable in terms of percentage.
however, it really hinges on mother share - if there is a movement of 10c even, son will follow at least 5c, normally
Five points a day, keeps you out of harm's way.

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 11:40:03 AM »
graham ,

if u follow  the  textbooks, all warrants  are KAPUT , but yet they oledi gave a lot  of  $$$$$$$$$$  to traders.  note;  m'sian are crazy  about  warrant .

sure bet  when pmind up to 10  sen , pmind-wa  6 sen.....pmind become  20  sen , pmind possible  to 15  sen .

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 11:48:11 AM »
Max,
What type of time premium at 41% p.a. ?
Go and borrow from the bank or the pawnshop interest rate 9%p.a. or pawnshop 20% p.a. U still can get premium like warrant.

This time premium is bulshit to get innocent investor to get into trouble ! When will they ever learn?

If PMI is good borrow at 9% p.a. buy PMI don't use warrantlah !

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 11:50:38 AM »
graham,
If you looking for value, there is probably none.
If you study the warrants movement, you ll see what I mean.
E.g. Look at Proton's warrant - time to check from 2006 till now, compare with mother. The calculate if you see value.
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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2007, 12:03:29 PM »
Dear Max,

I think your analysis is wayout even if u technical as your justification.
U are buying rubbish AT high price and use time premium at high interest rate to justify ?

My view is u OR ANYONE hold PMI-W, dump it and switch to the PMI mother if u are comfortable with the company, too risky and return cannot justify.

MAX u are an accountant how can u support investment cost of 46% p.a. for the next 13% YEARS ! U Deserve TOO BE SHOT !!!!

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2007, 12:15:32 PM »
 ;D
this  malaysia boleh.....ask allan voon warrant addict n speacialist

warrant is  more explosive than the mother shares in term of % gain ( hey have some basic mathematics lahh  )

when pmind jump to 10 sen from 8 sen -   25 %

pmind-wa  from 5 sen to 7 sen - 40 % laaaa

even at one time 2001  hwgb  mother  just  rm 1.00 ++

hwgb-wa  rm 12.60.....see  , malaysia warrant don't follow the conversion price laaa  , throw  your finance textbookto the drain-longkang daaa..

pmind 8 sen to 20 sen = 200 % gain

pmind-wa  5 sen to 17 sen  =  240 % gain laaa ...

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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2007, 12:17:27 PM »
Dear Max,
Same apply to Proton CA-Warrant u are walking into a minefield it is amazing to see many hero around with such a short expiry date on 18-11-2007!

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2007, 12:21:22 PM »
I think Alan Voon is doing more harm than good to the innocent Msian public !

He did not use the warrant instrument properly and turning it into a gambling tools.A disgrace to the warrant creator.

Even gambling must know the oddslah !


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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 12:22:33 PM »
traders mostly don't grab the opportunity.....time after time , history repeat itself ,  cheap warrant normally EXPLOSIVE $$$$$....accumulate , time is  set to come  for  not  only PMIND-WA  but  mother  pmind too  ! (  <  2 months , gain surely  > 200 %  , much better than kaput blue-chips )

some more  pmind-wa  expiry 2010 loorrrrr  !

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 12:23:35 PM »
Go and buy big sweep may be a better bet !

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 12:25:14 PM »
Gee, getting touchy, but I havent even started  ::) ::)
graham, its neither TA nor FA.
Its an observation of the market.

In any case, this is the problem when you use percentages in small values.
Say a warrant is neither in nor out of money.
Mother share move 10c, theoritically to maintain the equilibrium, warrant will move 10c.
But percentage wise, warrant make more, is this justified?
Also, normally warrant will be out of money due to time premium.

This is warrant play la bro. Its reality of the market.

But as I said, in this case, neither lousy nor good entry.
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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 12:36:44 PM »
alan voon is great $$$$$  doing social  obligation to klse traders esp  warrant addicts   , many oledi made $$$$$  bcoz of him  - voon tips always $$$$  )

anyway hidupppppppppppppp  voon $$$$$

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2007, 12:38:27 PM »
Max,
Put it this way the different between the warrant at Rm 0.04 and Mother Rm 0.08 is small.
No point To get con when there are not much leverage! But also with high gearing cost!

WAY Out of money Warrant are conned job, no way to justify other than capitalize on the gambling instinct of msian public.
No Matter what method u use why expose yourself to this gambling and manipulation!

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 12:42:06 PM »
PMIND / PMIND-WA  all  FINE , sure  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Re: PMIND / PMIND-WA IS SET TO EXIT WITH EXPLOSIVE BANG $$$$$$
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 02:14:52 PM »
Dr Kim,
Is this Alan Voon's pick? Any link?
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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 02:21:06 PM »
my friend , pmind-wa  is  warrant specialist - allan voon's  'DARLING'

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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2007, 02:23:21 PM »
it's  a good  idea - please refer  to voon's  detail analysis on pmind-wa recently !

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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2007, 02:31:35 PM »
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PMIND-WA exercise price to drop as SC approves PMIND Exercise - Thursday, May 17, 2007

Pan Malaysian Industries is implementing a share consolidation of its entire issued and paid up capital which would involve cancellation of RM0.45 of each ordinary share of RM0.50 each and subsequently consolidation of every two shares of RM0.05 each into one consolidated new share of RM0.10 each.  The effect of this proposal would reduce the number of shares in Pan Malaysian Industries from 2.48 billion shares to 1.24 billion shares.

According to Pan Malaysian Industries’ announcement, there will be 546.46 million new warrants to be issued arising from the adjustments to the existing warrants replacing the current 1.086 billion warrants.  The exercise price of the new warrants is expected to be RM0.104, following the way the par value of the company shares is altered.  The exercise price currently is RM0.52

From Alan Voon's site.
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2007, 02:38:22 PM »
see....  $$$$$...thanks 

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2007, 03:18:03 PM »
Better be logical than be sorry. You are either too bold or too much of a joker to part money in this manner. Take risk, but take only logical and calculated risk. You have a better chance of survival.
Value for money, you must insist.

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2007, 03:48:36 PM »
surely a calculated risk laaa   , risk averse can't  punt share loorrrr

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« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2007, 07:18:39 PM »
volume  shrinkage  from the previous week , very good sign - most want to hold .... to anticipate the pmind-wa  BIG  ' EXIT  ANGPOWS'  soon.....only those without  holding power / no money  have to say bye-bye !

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO$$$$$$

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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2007, 07:23:49 PM »
Volume shrinkage also you say good  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2007, 07:27:59 PM »
shrinkage  alot , means  less selling  ......hold strategy !

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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2007, 07:30:54 PM »
Could play drift down strategy though. We both dont know that yet  :P
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2007, 07:37:06 PM »
friends , just hold & buy some more .  the  EXIT angpows is  there  & ' GUARANTEED'  .  pmind-wa  is  dirt cheap oledi  , no way of getting less than the current price , baby !

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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2007, 08:29:40 AM »
MARKET  expecting to be GOOD  today !

dow  ok  , nas  fine

bank negara , no rise on interest rate - wowwwwwwwww

high time  to collect cheap warrants , stocks - sure $$$$

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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2007, 08:34:28 AM »
The greater the risk; the greater the reward.
The greater the expectation; the greater the frustration. Beware!
Value for money, you must insist.

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« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2007, 08:51:33 AM »
risk averse traders better  buy  property , unit  trust , fd  lorrrr  !

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« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2007, 05:00:02 PM »
MARKET  expecting to be GOOD  today !

dow  ok  , nas  fine

bank negara , no rise on interest rate - wowwwwwwwww

high time  to collect cheap warrants , stocks - sure $$$$

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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2007, 05:08:01 PM »
Hahahaha jalte, nice to see you here  ;)
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« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2007, 06:31:31 PM »
wat is the link to allan voon's website?

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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2007, 09:08:20 PM »
voon can be reach at  www.warrant.com.my   , sure $$$$$

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2007, 09:12:21 PM »
jalte !  what a shock !....afraid this forum become bursa / klse chat  .....why not ? it's  good , after all when talking about investment ,  surely most of the time...it's  stock market investment daaaa...!

jalte  , take it easy .

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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2007, 09:28:11 PM »
Dr Kim,

With all due respect, maybe you want to change your style of posting a little.
Now you sound like rumor monger leh  ;D ;D ;D
Imagine this as a post.

PMInd and PMInd-WA offers great value for investment due to bla-bla-bla, PN4 - bla bla bla
In my opinion, PMInd-WA at 4 cents is a very good entry.
While in terms of percentage, it may seem high, its absolute value at 4 sen would be a cheap entry.
Also, PMInd-WA is a favorite of Alan Voon, the warrants specialist's favorite.
For more information, you can visit his site at www.warrants.com.my

There. Can ar? Suggestion only, dont marah me if dont agree ok?  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2007, 09:57:02 PM »
max....seems  imposible for u to get pmind-wa at 4 sen..may be wait till your hair change to grey hair laaa....

u know baby , the stock prices  is detremined by the intraction of the demand  & supply .

max ....u risk averse shouldn' t play shares loorr  , better buy  public mutual , T - bill  , fd , .....!


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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PM »
OKlah, dont say 4 sen.
Say 5 sen. 6 sen oso can :P
Point was presentation style oni, you cannot accept, I also cannot do anything ar.

PS: I play Futures one. Risk averse ka?  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2007, 10:14:56 PM »
Hahahaha jalte, nice to see you here  ;)

Thanks Max. I'm always here. Unfortunately only have the time to read but not posting due to my being so busy with work & study. Its has been a long while since I last visited klsechat. Getting sick of it due to excessive rumor brigade activities there. But for this forum, I find the posters are more sensible and mature. The environment here is more towards learning, knowledge sharing, intellectual argument and collective study compared to klsechat which is geared more on rumors and unsupported predictions.



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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2007, 02:10:21 AM »
lucky  nothing happen in the wall street ,...kah ! kah !  kah !  in fact dow green now .

those who panic sold  ( again & again ? ) ... & ran like mad in the market yesterday ( wednesday ) , now very regret & feel stupid .

they never learned  a lesson !

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2007, 07:09:03 AM »
DOW  JONES   UPSETLY  RAN  AMOK by almost  120 . wowwwwwwwwwwwww  ..nasdaq  too  . 

see  how  panic traders yesterday  MADLY  ran for their lives....happen all the time , lesson never learned .

TODAY  !   PMIND / PMIND-WA  SEEMs  PROMISING  especially pmind-wa really  dirt-cheap  , EXIT  from pn 17 is 99.9 % certain with  guaranteed angpows in store .

me  ?  will add some more =  more $$$$$$$$$$$$$  ! :)

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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2007, 08:45:51 AM »
PMI-W is not a good investment,but should anyone want to consider despite our caution,
My advise on PMI-w based on PMI at Rm 0.08 should not worth more than Rm 0.02 can be confirmed by Black Scholes method.

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2007, 08:54:20 AM »
hey daeeeiiii....this  is  warrant laaa...u remember  in 2002 hwgb mother rm 1.00 ++  , hwgb-wa  rm 12.60  !  see....what is this  - malaysia boleh

malaysian love warrant - they are warrant addict .

if u want to apply the text book rule , risk averse .... u better buy public mutual , unit trust , fd...... yet warrant oledi gave a lot of $$$$$$$$$$