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« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2015, 08:37:34 PM »
Must be steady...Felda had been around for more than 40 yrs...one bad flood...just a minor issue....!!

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« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2015, 08:40:04 PM »

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

but I sold my nestle , TM , Maxis ,  PETRONAS Dag , Pestech ,

Digi ,  Public bank
  too early

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if not I cheat them, now they cheat me

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« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2015, 08:41:25 PM »
My focus on the big blue chip stocks have blinded me from the many good opportunities that exist in the small cap and mid cap stocks.

Indeed there are many opportunities in these segments.

Raider is right too. :)
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« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2015, 11:04:25 PM »
I also list some stocks that drop 50% and more from their 52w highest.

No   Name    Y-High     Last     Changes

01   IRMGRP    0.145     0.015    -89.7%
02   METALR    1.920     0.210    -89.1%
03   JOBST    3.000     0.460    -84.7%
04   IBHD    3.910     0.630    -83.9%
05   BHS    3.530     0.590    -83.3%
06   BONIA    5.850     1.040    -82.2%
07   AEON    15.640     3.090    -80.2%
08   DELEUM    6.910     1.670    -75.8%
09   ITRONIC    0.695     0.175    -74.8%
10   AKNIGHT    1.260     0.320    -74.6%
11   FIMACOR    9.720     2.500    -74.3%
12   ARMADA    4.030     1.060    -73.7%
13   XINGHE    0.290     0.080    -72.4%
14   DSONIC    3.920     1.120    -71.4%
15   MHB    4.160     1.260    -69.7%
16   ECOWLD    5.820     1.780    -69.4%
17   CENTURY    2.680     0.820    -69.4%
18   ICON    2.190     0.680    -68.9%
19   PDZ    0.420     0.135    -67.9%
20   PERISAI    1.670     0.540    -67.7%
21   JAG    0.440     0.145    -67.0%
22   YINSON    8.910     2.960    -66.8%
23   CNASIA    1.560     0.525    -66.3%
24   SYF    1.320     0.445    -66.3%
25   THHEAVY    0.980     0.340    -65.3%
26   UZMA    6.850     2.380    -65.3%
27   SUMATEC    0.620     0.220    -64.5%
28   BRAHIMS    2.390     0.870    -63.6%
29   ASIABIO    0.260     0.095    -63.5%
30   MPCORP    0.535     0.200    -62.6%
31   SBCCORP    2.490     0.940    -62.2%
32   PERWAJA    0.225     0.085    -62.2%
33   DAYA    0.355     0.135    -62.0%
34   JADI    0.195     0.075    -61.5%
35   EKOVEST    2.910     1.130    -61.2%
36   CSL    0.205     0.080    -61.0%
37   VIS    0.780     0.305    -60.9%
38   ALAM    1.680     0.660    -60.7%
39   KINSTEL    0.305     0.120    -60.7%
40   CBIP    5.150     2.060    -60.0%
41   BREM    2.800     1.120    -60.0%
42   BTM    0.385     0.155    -59.7%
43   ASTINO    1.900     0.765    -59.7%
44   DIALOG    3.960     1.600    -59.6%
45   SILKHLD    1.240     0.510    -58.9%
46   BOILERM    3.590     1.480    -58.8%
47   HUBLINE    0.060     0.025    -58.3%
48   BDB    2.510     1.050    -58.2%
49   KSL    4.970     2.080    -58.1%
50   GOB    1.220     0.515    -57.8%
51   SCOMIES    1.170     0.495    -57.7%
52   HWANG    4.470     1.920    -57.0%
53   HIBISCS    1.900     0.820    -56.8%
54   KARYON    0.480     0.210    -56.3%
55   ACME    0.765     0.335    -56.2%
56   HBGLOB    0.125     0.055    -56.0%
57   CMSB    10.940     4.830    -55.9%
58   JIANKUN    0.770     0.340    -55.8%
59   PENERGY    3.160     1.400    -55.7%
60   DBHD    2.050     0.920    -55.1%
61   PMETAL    7.460     3.360    -55.0%
62   FGV    4.600     2.090    -54.6%
63   TAS    1.650     0.750    -54.5%
64   GPHAROS    1.090     0.500    -54.1%
65   CUSCAPI    0.445     0.205    -53.9%
66   XDL    0.260     0.120    -53.8%
67   INSTACO    0.270     0.125    -53.7%
68   KEN    2.350     1.090    -53.6%
69   PSIPTEK    0.420     0.195    -53.6%
70   KEYASIC    0.150     0.070    -53.3%
71   MELEWAR    0.550     0.260    -52.7%
72   REV    1.650     0.780    -52.7%
73   SEAL    1.490     0.705    -52.7%
74   GKENT    2.720     1.300    -52.2%
75   ENGTEX    2.200     1.060    -51.8%
76   KFM    0.550     0.265    -51.8%
77   MINETEC    0.175     0.085    -51.4%
78   FITTERS    1.400     0.680    -51.4%
79   BIOOSMO    0.185     0.090    -51.4%
80   SCOMI    0.490     0.240    -51.0%
81   MUDAJYA    2.850     1.400    -50.9%
82   AAX    0.900     0.445    -50.6%
83   WZSATU    2.900     1.440    -50.3%
84   BIG    0.945     0.470    -50.3%
85   SERSOL    0.460     0.230    -50.0%
86   TDEX    0.260     0.130    -50.0%
87   SMTRACK    0.140     0.070    -50.0%
88   PMBTECH    1.940     0.970    -50.0%
89   IRETEX    0.800     0.400    -50.0%
90   BIOSIS    0.220     0.110    -50.0%
 

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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2015, 08:50:53 PM »
There are many counters that had made fabulous gains over a few years in the KLSE.

Yes, there are. 

These were generally the small cap and mid cap companies that struggled for a few years and then blossom like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.

Alas, though I have looked at these often, yet somehow, missed many of them.

The few I bought, they were at the time when these companies were already known and thus, not cheap anymore.   


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« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2015, 08:52:59 PM »
Holding onto some counters for too long, when the fundamentals had deteriorated - thinking / hoping these will turnaround.

These were among some of the big losses.   :(

A counter dropped 90% and I am still holding it.   :(

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« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2015, 08:58:21 PM »
Holding onto some counters for too long, when the fundamentals had deteriorated - thinking / hoping these will turnaround.

These were among some of the big losses.   :(

A counter dropped 90% and I am still holding it.   :(


What stock is that?  :'(
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« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2015, 09:17:30 PM »
Holding onto some counters for too long, when the fundamentals had deteriorated - thinking / hoping these will turnaround.

These were among some of the big losses.   :(

A counter dropped 90% and I am still holding it.   :(



I suppose some of them are oil and gas stocks

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« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2015, 10:35:24 PM »
I supposed iiinvestsmart is a type of person who will never ever tell ppl what stocks he's suffering. Sorry, can't help anyway...  :S
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« Reply #109 on: April 20, 2015, 08:00:49 AM »
Another problem I can see is holding onto the non-performers too long.

These stocks need not necessarily have lost money since bought. 

However, they turned out to be disappointing relative to initial projections of their prospects.

These may be for various reasons.

1.  I got my assessment wrong regarding the quality of its business.  The durable competitve advantage that I thought they have were actually not real.  Some were good for a short period and soon lost this competitive advantage, that is, they were not durable.  (Quality of business and growth)

2.  Sometimes, the management continues to not reward the shareholders.  Though the companies are doing fine, the managements' interest are not aligned with those of shareholders.  (Quality of Management)

3.  I paid to own the stock at the time when the stock or market was "good".   At these times, the prices also tended to be high.  Some stocks continue to go higher driven by their increasing intrinsic values.  Others tanked when the market sentiment changed, and it was obvious that I paid a high price for the cheery consensus.  The prices of such stocks can correct drastically too.  (Valuation, Margin of safety and Returns)   


"Keep and ride the winners, sell the losers and underperformers."

Will need to continue monitoring the quality of my portfolio.

1.  Continue to monitor the quality of the DCA of the company.
2.  Keep track of the % of Portfolio that each stock constitute.
3.  Monitor its Upside/Downside ratio.
4   Monitor its Potential total returns (Dividends + Potential cap gain).
5.  Set Buy Below Price
6.  Set Sell Above Price
7.  Set Recommended Action.


Note that points 3 to 7 are dependent on the market price of the stock.



How frequent should I monitor the portfolio?

1.  Keep up to date with the news of each stock on regular basis.
2.  Update the portfolio with the release of quarterly results of these companies.
3.  Rework points 1 to 7, with each quarter; and at the minimum once every 6 months.

Be COURAGES in cutting out the stock when certain criteria are satisfied.
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4.  Buy at a sensible price

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« Reply #110 on: April 20, 2015, 08:14:48 AM »
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« Reply #111 on: April 20, 2015, 08:36:59 AM »
Another problem I can see is holding onto the non-performers too long.

These stocks need not necessarily have lost money since bought. 

However, they turned out to be disappointing relative to initial projections of their prospects.

These may be for various reasons.

1.  I got my assessment wrong regarding the quality of its business.  The durable competitve advantage that I thought they have were actually not real.  Some were good for a short period and soon lost this competitive advantage, that is, they were not durable.  (Quality of business and growth)

2.  Sometimes, the management continues to not reward the shareholders.  Though the companies are doing fine, the managements' interest are not aligned with those of shareholders.  (Quality of Management)

3.  I paid to own the stock at the time when the stock or market was "good".   At these times, the prices also tended to be high.  Some stocks continue to go higher driven by their increasing intrinsic values.  Others tanked when the market sentiment changed, and it was obvious that I paid a high price for the cheery consensus.  The prices of such stocks can correct drastically too.  (Valuation, Margin of safety and Returns)   


"Keep and ride the winners, sell the losers and underperformers."

Will need to continue monitoring the quality of my portfolio.

1.  Continue to monitor the quality of the DCA of the company.
2.  Keep track of the % of Portfolio that each stock constitute.
3.  Monitor its Upside/Downside ratio.
4   Monitor its Potential total returns (Dividends + Potential cap gain).
5.  Set Buy Below Price
6.  Set Sell Above Price
7.  Set Recommended Action.


Note that points 3 to 7 are dependent on the market price of the stock.



How frequent should I monitor the portfolio?

1.  Keep up to date with the news of each stock on regular basis.
2.  Update the portfolio with the release of quarterly results of these companies.
3.  Rework points 1 to 7, with each quarter; and at the minimum once every 6 months.

Be COURAGES in cutting out the stock when certain criteria are satisfied.
Technical analysis is your friend, not your enemy. My 2 sen opinion.

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« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM »
Years ago, I trust fundamental analysis very much. Now no more. No matter how good a stock is, so long as it is on the downtrend and below 150MA, just sell or if not selling, do not top up the investment. When there is a sign of turning, start monitor and when the uptrend is fairly obvious, then go in and invest. Chances of failure isvery much reduced.
Of course, dividends payout is just as important as the announcement of dividends pay out usually affect the technical behaviour.

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« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2015, 09:00:48 AM »
from my experience with you, you problem lies in your tendency of looking too much on the summary of past results, past share price. I notice when we talk about any shares, first thing you do is dig out summary past results and spam it all over to judge the company.

All financial results can be adjusted by the accountants to suit the management needs, I can ask my accountant to give me any profit/loss I want, whether my business really make those profit/loss does not matter, they have magic. So, if you continue to invest in a company based on summary of financial results alone, you are looking for disaster.

You will be surprised, normally I avoid companies with good results over a long period of time. Why ?

1. Company with good results but unrealistic based on business environment they operate in

Management is not very honest, avoid at all cost. There will be a lot of goreng... you can take a ride during the goreng but make sure u take profit fast or cut loss, and do not keep for too long.

2. Company is really a good company with real good results

Management is honest in their reporting, business is really doing well. It is very safe to invest in this type of company but for this type of company share price already factored in their performance. Even before any results is announced, insiders and big players have first hand info. Since share price already factored in their performance long-long ago, therefore upsides are normally limited. Some of you may be happy with 4-5% annual dividends ( no matter how good, they wont be far from FD rate )... that's fine but this kind of investment wont take you anywhere.


For me, u want to make big money... invest in a company that is not doing well BUT with good management that is about to turn the company around. Once it turns around, u hit a big winner






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« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2015, 09:06:37 AM »
Technical analysis is your friend, not your enemy. My 2 sen opinion.

My opinion is, technical analysis is also a recipe for disaster. Every single syndicates, conman knows how to do technical analysis.. sometimes they can make it so attractive, they have money and manpower to manipulate. Once all the TA freaks think they hit jackpot and start to lump in... its game over. That is why you see more people losing money in share market than winning money.

Just follow my system, you will never lose money for long run. Even if lose, it will be minimal.

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« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2015, 09:10:44 AM »
MOST important rule is.. do not chase when there is a goreng, is either you are already on it or you missed it. Do not chase any goreng, not even for those turn around counters I choose. A lot of people lose money in GSB because they chase goreng. Goreng are not real and not sustainable.

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« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2015, 10:13:34 AM »
My biggest % losses occur in those stocks which were bought at bargain prices.

Obviously, these bargains turned out not to be bargains after all.

I must have made big mistakes in assessing the quality and valuing these stocks.

Investing in stocks remain challenging and one need to be extremely careful.

Never chase a stock.   Yet, there were many instances when the stock prices continue to rise unabated.

Yes, there were also instances when the stock prices contracted precipitously too.

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4.  Buy at a sensible price

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« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2015, 10:23:48 AM »
Actually it is not difficult, its all about FUTURE.

if stock continue to go up non-stop, just forget it. There are so many other counters, so many other opportunities why want to put your money at risk chasing run-away counters ?

My biggest % losses occur in those stocks which were bought at bargain prices.

Obviously, these bargains turned out not to be bargains after all.

I must have made big mistakes in assessing the quality and valuing these stocks.

Investing in stocks remain challenging and one need to be extremely careful.

Never chase a stock.   Yet, there were many instances when the stock prices continue to rise unabated.

Yes, there were also instances when the stock prices contracted precipitously too.



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« Reply #118 on: April 20, 2015, 10:29:32 AM »
Holding onto some counters for too long, when the fundamentals had deteriorated - thinking / hoping these will turnaround.

These were among some of the big losses.   :(

A counter dropped 90% and I am still holding it.   :(



Holding onto GSB for too long finally regret ???

The problem with you is you keep criticize my idol wombie88 who promoted IFCAmsc at 60 sen

http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php/topic,67286.0.html

Now IFCAmsc trade at RM1.66 would have give you more than 100% profit less than a year.

The profit is there not some imaginary one. Don't listen to the wrong advice and don't attack the wrong person.

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« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2015, 10:38:40 AM »
Holding onto GSB for too long finally regret ???

The problem with you is you keep criticize my idol wombie88 who promoted IFCAmsc at 60 sen

http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php/topic,67286.0.html

Now IFCAmsc trade at RM1.66 would have give you more than 100% profit less than a year.

The profit is there not some imaginary one. Don't listen to the wrong advice and don't attack the wrong person.

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I believe I did. 

But look at the valuation.



Paying a PE of 189◊ to own this stock. 
Tbis happened in the 2000 tech bubble.

How business sensible is this?  :)

SELL quickly to profit from Mr. MARKET.  Don't fall folly to him.  :D
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« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2015, 10:57:28 AM »


I believe I did. 

But look at the valuation.




I sold all beginning of April where GST sentiment at it peaks but I do not expect IFCAmsc still have leg to reach new high.

Sometimes sentiment and good profit can push a share price reach high PE. Or maybe Wombie88 did have insider information.

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« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2015, 11:03:09 AM »
I sold all beginning of April where GST sentiment at it peaks but I do not expect IFCAmsc still have leg to reach new high.

Sometimes sentiment and good profit can push a share price reach high PE. Or maybe Wombie88 did have insider information.

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I distinguish my investing from my speculating.

I am long term into stocks.

I invest regularly.

I reinvest my dividends.

I stay with good quality growth companies.





Just in the long run, hopefully I am more right than wrong.

Yes, no method is full proof; my method too.
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4.  Buy at a sensible price

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« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2015, 11:05:57 AM »
mine one ard drop 70%...  :sweat:

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« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2015, 11:06:04 AM »


I believe I did. 

But look at the valuation.


Your valuation is an obstruction for U to pick superstars and make super profit in the market ?

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« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2015, 11:08:10 AM »
I have relooked at my portfolio of stocks.

Truly, without some pruning, the portfolio does not look good.

I will need to take out the razor to do some severe slashing to trim the portfolio into great shape again.



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1.  Understand the business
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3.  Management with integrity
4.  Buy at a sensible price

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« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2015, 11:09:37 AM »
I have relooked at my portfolio of stocks.

Truly, without some pruning, the portfolio does not look good.

I will need to take out the razor to do some severe slashing to trim the portfolio into great shape again.







Hopefully, the market allows me to get out of these "weeds" at a reasonable price, attenuating my losses.   :( :cash:
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« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2015, 11:21:52 AM »
If other people can see future in other counters, nothing wrong with that. If wombie makes a lot of money, good for him. If someone else earn 200% or even 1000% and I don't earn anything, what is wrong with that ? I don't lose anything either. I do not have to copy his investment or any other people investment... its my money, same goes to you, wombie or anyone else... you don't have to listen to anyone. So many people criticize my GSB, I am still holding on to it, I have no problem with it, even though I have not taken any profit out of it.

Trouble with you, you always think I will envy others making money, I wont.  Just because you always envy and regret, it does not mean I will do the same. It is just money, I do not put my emotions into my trading and investment.


Holding onto GSB for too long finally regret ???

The problem with you is you keep criticize my idol wombie88 who promoted IFCAmsc at 60 sen

http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php/topic,67286.0.html

Now IFCAmsc trade at RM1.66 would have give you more than 100% profit less than a year.

The profit is there not some imaginary one. Don't listen to the wrong advice and don't attack the wrong person.

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« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2015, 11:36:02 AM »
trouble is most of you are just too emotional and full of greed and envy. Just let it go. Lost money, Win money... don't think about it. Think about what stock to buy to make money.

When you see other people make money you feel envy...
When you see other people make loss, you feel proud that you don't lose money...
When you see goreng share run away, miss the boat feel regret for not buying...
When buy and hit jackpot, win a lot of money... you laugh all the way to the bank...
When after sell, share continue go up, you become greedy sad because not making more money...
When After buy, share kept on dropping, you felt stupid, regret for buying and not cut loss fast enough...
... and on and on...

How are you people going to focus to choose the next counter to make money if you spend all your time being emotional ?

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« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2015, 11:41:46 AM »
My investment is in good shape. Buy a stock that you don't think you will sell unless unexpected circumstances.  8)
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« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2015, 11:46:48 AM »
trouble is most of you are just too emotional and full of greed and envy. Just let it go. Lost money, Win money... don't think about it. Think about what stock to buy to make money.

When you see other people make money you feel envy...
When you see other people make loss, you feel proud that you don't lose money...
When you see goreng share run away, miss the boat feel regret for not buying...
When buy and hit jackpot, win a lot of money... you laugh all the way to the bank...
When after sell, share continue go up, you become greedy sad because not making more money...
When After buy, share kept on dropping, you felt stupid, regret for buying and not cut loss fast enough...
... and on and on...

How are you people going to focus to choose the next counter to make money if you spend all your time being emotional ?




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« Reply #130 on: April 20, 2015, 11:47:44 AM »
My investment is in good shape. Buy a stock that you don't think you will sell unless unexpected circumstances.  8)


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« Reply #131 on: April 20, 2015, 11:50:39 AM »
trouble is most of you are just too emotional and full of greed and envy. Just let it go. Lost money, Win money... don't think about it. Think about what stock to buy to make money.

When you see other people make money you feel envy...
When you see other people make loss, you feel proud that you don't lose money...
When you see goreng share run away, miss the boat feel regret for not buying...
When buy and hit jackpot, win a lot of money... you laugh all the way to the bank...
When after sell, share continue go up, you become greedy sad because not making more money...
When After buy, share kept on dropping, you felt stupid, regret for buying and not cut loss fast enough...
... and on and on...

How are you people going to focus to choose the next counter to make money if you spend all your time being emotional ?

When you stock didn't move much after many years, you start to stalk the companies female CEO....  :innocent:
Ok, John, I'm kidding!!!  :giggle:
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« Reply #132 on: April 20, 2015, 11:59:00 AM »
When you stock didn't move much after many years, you start to stalk the companies female CEO....  :innocent:
Ok, John, I'm kidding!!!  :giggle:

Stock don't move, I just go for holiday. I visited so many place in the world in the last 2-3 years... well if u want to stalk female CEO, just make sure you don't end up in the lokap.

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« Reply #133 on: April 20, 2015, 12:01:46 PM »
GSB

One day GSB might turn out to be a good investment.

However, the last 4 or 5 years, it was not.

How long should you wait?


I thought JM promoted this stock to goreng the market.

He said it would go up to 20 sen and when this seemed possible, he actually declared the next target price to be $2.00 in the near term; that was during the time when GSB was rising in price quickly.



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« Reply #134 on: April 20, 2015, 12:12:39 PM »
GSB

One day GSB might turn out to be a good investment.

However, the last 4 or 5 years, it was not.

How long should you wait?


I thought JM promoted this stock to goreng the market.

He said it would go up to 20 sen and when this seemed possible, he actually declared the next target price to be $2.00 in the near term; that was during the time when GSB was rising in price quickly.




John was overconfident. When the financial result turned out to be negative at one point, he blamed account frauds. I will not truly invest GSB in a long run until I'm convinced with the financial status and earnings.  :)
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« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2015, 12:16:50 PM »
John was overconfident. When the financial result turned out to be negative at one point, he blamed account frauds. I will not truly invest GSB in a long run until I'm convinced with the financial status and earnings.  :)


John was overconfident and from my observation and personal assessment, less than honest. 

He was going for the jugular when he put the target price @ $2.00.


 :(



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« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2015, 01:15:03 PM »
When you stock didn't move much after many years, you start to stalk the companies female CEO....  :innocent:
Ok, John, I'm kidding!!!  :giggle:

This is so obvious John Master is after the CEO, that's why he don't really care when GSB share price go down he just go holiday with the CEO.

John Master even buy gold fish for the CEO that's why John Master say looking at the gold fish will tell you something...

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« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2015, 01:39:53 PM »
How many transactions, that is, buying and selling should be optimal to manage my portfolio in a year?

How many stocks should I be holding in my portfolio?  (Warren Buffett said, holding the 7th stock in the portfolio will most likely lower one's returns.  I think he was referring to enterprising investors.)

How big or small should each of these transactions be, relative to the total value of the portfolio?  ? MIN 3%  ? MAX 50%.

What should be my asset allocation today - % to stock, % to cash?



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« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2015, 02:04:02 PM »

John was overconfident and from my observation and personal assessment, less than honest. 

He was going for the jugular when he put the target price @ $2.00.


 :(



But, I wish to focus on the topic related to my thread.

Classic thumb rule? Never trust a salesman?  :shake:
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« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2015, 02:04:39 PM »
This is so obvious John Master is after the CEO, that's why he don't really care when GSB share price go down he just go holiday with the CEO.

John Master even buy gold fish for the CEO that's why John Master say looking at the gold fish will tell you something...

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« Reply #140 on: April 20, 2015, 03:50:12 PM »
It was just unfortunate that GSB did not launch all their projects 4 years ago, if they launched their projects 4 years ago.. 20sen would have been achieved long ago. I was just unfortunate that they did not lunch their projects until now. Now that projects closed to RM 1 billion already in the pipeline, some already launched, 20sen is a sure thing already. I am not looking to sell at 20sen because I believe it can go much much higher, my criteria to sell my GSB is based on its business size, not its share price.

You people still don't understand my concept of investment, I enter and exit a counter based on the company business condition, not based on its share price, so whether it is a 20sen, 30sen 10sen... they have no meanings to me. I will only consider selling some of my GSB once they launched all their RM 1 billion worth of projects and all the profits from those projects are reported in their accounts.

GSB

One day GSB might turn out to be a good investment.

However, the last 4 or 5 years, it was not.

How long should you wait?


I thought JM promoted this stock to goreng the market.

He said it would go up to 20 sen and when this seemed possible, he actually declared the next target price to be $2.00 in the near term; that was during the time when GSB was rising in price quickly.





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« Reply #141 on: April 20, 2015, 03:53:05 PM »
It is not the share price I am after, it is the business size I am after.  Got it ? ... by the time GSB sales goes up to RM 1billion and profits up to hundreds of million, it does not matter RM1, RM2, RM5 or 20sen or even 5sen... then only I will consider sell or keep. There is no target price, I put 20sen last time just to satisfy some of you people who wants a number, based on a very low PE.


John was overconfident and from my observation and personal assessment, less than honest. 

He was going for the jugular when he put the target price @ $2.00.


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« Reply #142 on: April 20, 2015, 03:54:18 PM »
It is very hard to talk to you people, we are from different class of investor. Just like a professional like doctor, talking to kids playing doctor.

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« Reply #143 on: April 20, 2015, 04:00:43 PM »
This forum is not free of cheats and sly snake oil salesmen, looking for a quick kill and exit with gains from poor newbies.


My difficulty is actually in selling a stock.

When should I be selling?

In the short term, it is rather difficult to know how the stock price will be.

It is better to stay focus on the business of the company.

In the long term, the price will reflect the fundamentals of the company.

Here is the difficult part.

Having owned the stock, I tend to be biased.

I tended to look for evidences that confirm that I have made the right decision.

Often, the evidence not supporting my decision were trivialised or downplayed as temporary.

A quarter of bad results turned into another and another, and I was still holding onto the stock.

As if, hoping for some change in the fortune of this stock.  

These are biases I would need to overcome (possession bias and confirmation bias).


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« Reply #144 on: April 20, 2015, 07:32:10 PM »
This forum is not free of cheats and sly snake oil salesmen, looking for a quick kill and exit with gains from poor newbies.


My difficulty is actually in selling a stock.

When should I be selling?

In the short term, it is rather difficult to know how the stock price will be.

It is better to stay focus on the business of the company.

In the long term, the price will reflect the fundamentals of the company.

Here is the difficult part.

Having owned the stock, I tend to be biased.

I tended to look for evidences that confirm that I have made the right decision.

Often, the evidence not supporting my decision were trivialised or downplayed as temporary.

A quarter of bad results turned into another and another, and I was still holding onto the stock.

As if, hoping for some change in the fortune of this stock.  

These are biases I would need to overcome (possession bias and confirmation bias).




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When you see your stock is a wrong choice, even loss at 20% also cut to weed out the sickness. Dont hang on to it like stuck with superglue.
Then, swap to another stock that you have studied and believe in its fundamentals

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« Reply #145 on: April 20, 2015, 07:36:29 PM »
3 i,

Need to be nimble and agile when investing.
When you see your stock is a wrong choice, even loss at 20% also cut to weed out the sickness. Dont hang on to it like stuck with superglue.
Then, swap to another stock that you have studied and believe in its fundamentals

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« Reply #146 on: April 20, 2015, 08:03:50 PM »
This forum is not free of cheats and sly snake oil salesmen, looking for a quick kill and exit with gains from poor newbies.


My difficulty is actually in selling a stock.

When should I be selling?

In the short term, it is rather difficult to know how the stock price will be.

It is better to stay focus on the business of the company.

In the long term, the price will reflect the fundamentals of the company.

Here is the difficult part.

Having owned the stock, I tend to be biased.

I tended to look for evidences that confirm that I have made the right decision.

Often, the evidence not supporting my decision were trivialised or downplayed as temporary.

A quarter of bad results turned into another and another, and I was still holding onto the stock.

As if, hoping for some change in the fortune of this stock.  

These are biases I would need to overcome (possession bias and confirmation bias).




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Re: My investments are kaput.
« Reply #147 on: April 20, 2015, 09:18:14 PM »

Here is the difficult part.

Having owned the stock, I tend to be biased.

I tended to look for evidences that confirm that I have made the right decision.

Often, the evidence not supporting my decision were trivialised or downplayed as temporary.

A quarter of bad results turned into another and another, and I was still holding onto the stock.

As if, hoping for some change in the fortune of this stock.  

These are biases I would need to overcome (possession bias and confirmation bias).


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« Reply #148 on: April 20, 2015, 09:23:32 PM »
Market no crash and yet 3i already gone mad.
Buy, sell, up, down, gain, gain.

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Re: My investments are kaput.
« Reply #149 on: April 20, 2015, 10:38:55 PM »

I tended to look for evidences that confirm that I have made the right decision.


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